09-03-2025 07:53 PM
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09-03-2025 08:09 PM
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Thanks for opening up and sharing @ArraDreaming . Sounds like you have grieved in different ways and that's totally okay.
09-03-2025 08:21 PM
09-03-2025 09:14 PM
09-03-2025 09:14 PM
Thanks @tyme
Yeah I've had one or two things happen in my life, but many people have.
I'm glad that you get hugs, they are so important.....so long as you don't have shingles 😂
I hope you are looking after yourself and resting up. It's a good idea, particular with nerve pain to try to get on top of it early.
Hope you get a good rest tonight
09-03-2025 09:17 PM
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10-03-2025 12:25 AM
10-03-2025 12:25 AM
I think it was a part of what made getting the news that my time left was limited. I'd felt like I was, after more than 50 years, starting to make some improvements. Slow and small improvements but i thought maybe I could eventually feel those things i'd always seen other people enjoy. So when i got the news part of me felt like "wait... i'm only just starting to get the hang of this!". And for the first time, I looked back and it just felt like I had wasted all of that time. 50 years just down the drain and missing out on so much. It made it so much harder. I couldn't even fall back on thinking "I've had a good run and had a lot of good friends and a loving family." For the first time i remember seeing my life as such a waste of time. It just feels like it never really got started. From the day i was born and I was left at the hospital. I got bigger and arguably smarter but nothing else really changed or improved for the next 43 years.
I do completely agree there are different types of grief. Even grief for things we never had. When I was in my mid to late 30s and starting to feel like this was it, that I shouldn't be this age and still be looking for and close connections to anyone and that it wasn't just being a 'late starter' or unlucky... something was very wrong and this is how it's going to continue because I could I fix something I had absolutely no understanding of. I started to feel like I was in grief and mourning a partner and kids I knew even knew. I missed them so much. People that i didn't even know and didn't even exist but i felt their loss every day. Everything everywhere was a reminder. It's amazing how much you notice with people around you and who they're with. It's everywhere and relentless. You see and feel it and know you'll be sitting home alone again like every night asking myself what it wrong.
That need for social connecting is so strong, that when we can't get it, there is a grief there. For losing something that you want in your life so much that it hurts not having it there. It had become so painful over the years that the early lack of confidence and trust to let people close morphed into having to avoid it to try to stop feeling that pain. It just became to painful to keep thinking about.
I'd never really liked being touched, even as a kid. Again, i have no idea where that came from but i still find it awkward. I know some people now that like to hug when you see them, and it makes me so uncomfortable and I don't know why. It's like I go to extreme measures to avoid the things i crave the most. The touch thing has never really changed apart from i do find myself in situations where people want a hug these days. So i have had practice the past 10 or 12 years, but it's still awkward and uncomfortable and I still just want it to be over. Even now, if my partner is sitting next to me and something comes up that she knows is hard for me to hear, she will put her hand on me. I don't hate it, but it makes me feel very tense. People that know me well, will make jokes like "Oh, go and give M a hug... he loves it!". I hate it! I hate that I hate it, and I hate that it's just something to laugh at for other people. I hate that the only thing I've ever wanted in life is someone to feel close to, and that I finally got it and I still won't let myself have that real closeness.
Till, you said that you grieve for connections and intimacy you will never have. Children and grandchildren that you will never have. And I feel that as well. But i was given a chance at it and I still keep it at a distance! I just wish i knew why so i could change it. time is rapidly running out and I have no idea what it is, let alone how to change it. The closes i've come to guessing what it is is that maybe I keep that part of myself locked away to lock the pain of all the things i missed out as well. Even if it means missing out on that close connection that is so close to me. Even as I write it, i still dont understand it and couldn't being to explain it. Other than it just can't be anything I have conscious control over, because if I had any at all, I would change it in an instant. Only because I do have the chance and I still can't change it.
I know everyone had loses in their lives, some great loses! But they have gains as well. They have love and friendship, and enjoy a hug from a loved one. But when it all seems to have been nothing but losses, it feels like everything i want I have to keep at a distance because I will just be another loss, and I just can't take any more. I tend to think now that I've managed to screw up being a member of 4 families. My adoptive family, my biological family, my partner's family, and my own family that I never had. I have the same relationship with almost everyone... in the first 3 anyway. Friendly but distant. Distant enough that none of them have given me any support the past 2.5 years and I'm rarely asked about how i'm going with any of it. So why would I feel any closeness to any of them!?
I honestly dont know if anyone who reads that would think "look at what this idiot has done to himself!". Because I think that all the time. I can't blame anyone one else, they all seem to have no problems being close to each other. I am the common denominator in all of these possible relationships in my life and they've all failed to make any real connections. Well, except one but boy, she has to put up with missing out on a lot because of me.
I honestly do try not to blame myself, but it's so hard not to. I just dont know why there's this barrier that I just cant break out of. Why i seem to do everything in my power to keep myself from having the only thing that was every important to me.
10-03-2025 01:45 AM
10-03-2025 01:45 AM
Right @MJG017 @tyme I said about 3hrs ago I was going to go to bed, then I've written an essay in our other thread @MJG017, but now I've seen this post I can't leave it unanswered all night.
No, I don't think you have done it to yourself, it's not a matter of what's wrong with you but what happened to you. You reacted normally to an abnormal situation. I know, because I've essentially done the same thing, but for a different "what happened". As a child you did not have any grand plan or scheme, you had the resources of a neonate - aka a reptilian brain, you could only control breathing, heart beating, swallowing food you were given and excreting waste matter and turning toward a noise. The external circumstances were not ideal and you had to "deal" with them in some way. You could have chosen worse ways to deal with it. I know that sounds untrue because lack of connection is so painful, but you could have gone off and committed crimes as a way of dealing with these abnormal circumstances, but you tried your best to fit into roles which society has deemed "normal". Don't forget also that society has evolved over time. So things that are "normal" or acceptable now, were not in the 70's and 80's.
I think the "barrier you can't break through" might be amenable to therapy. You've done very well to idnetify what it is you'd like to change, but maybe you do not currently have the resources to bring about those changes without some external input. You may even know or have a good idea what's stopping you from going through that barrier, but you may need help to take that leap of faith (I'm not talking about religious faith here). Have you tried therapy ?
I found a good resource that I listen to and I listened to a particular episode that talked about "orphans" on my way to my sport competition on Saturday. It's a bit high brow because it's by psychologists for psychologists, but it's comprehendable. It's called Clinically Thinking podcast. It was the "The Lifelong Effects of Child Sexual Abuse, with Dianna Kenny" episode. I know that sounds incorrect but she talks about neglect at about the 34min mark.
I also thought it was too late for me to feel different, when I first told my GP in the place I now live and she said it's not too late and she had a 70 year old patient who had disclosed and was referred to psychology with great success. I mean you have to grieve the loss of the children you'll never have, as do I, because it's too late for that, but there's still a chance for deep connection.
I can also tell you that your life has not been a waste of time. People often say "if I can help just one person, then I'd be happy". So how many people have you helped with support groups, you're helping people, including me. on these forums, you've worked and helped lots of people with IT (including on the forums), bought a house, have a current relationship - these are most people's markers of success. I know you still feel the emptiness as I do, but your life has not been wasted.
It's interesting that you had more intense feelings of loss of connections in your 30s because at 30, I also thought my life was over, because I had not got to have children. In fact I felt so terrible about it I actually attempted to end my life (an "unsurvivable attempt" according to a number of doctors). So I think I can empathise to some degree the absolutely horrible feeling of lack of connection. I still have difficulty when I see families especially young children, I have great difficult with babies for another reason, it's not terrible but still a difficulty.
Anyhow, this was longer than I thought, but I still see hope for you and I definitely don't think you have wasted your life. Yes you have many things to grieve though and I think having identified problems there's a path forward that may be amenable to psychological intervention.
12-03-2025 06:00 PM
12-03-2025 06:00 PM
@MJG017 , Your life has meant so much to me and the people here. What do you think constitutes a life 'not wasted'? Is it fame? Is it fortune? Is it kids?
I'm open to hearing more @MJG017 . I, like many others here, value you for being you. Please know we are here for you as much as you are here for others.
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